{"id":4080,"date":"2012-10-23T10:19:00","date_gmt":"2012-10-23T08:19:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2025-03-21T13:43:40","modified_gmt":"2025-03-21T11:43:40","slug":"epalestine-nyt-in-israel-carter-derides","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/epalestine.ps\/sambahour\/2012\/10\/epalestine-nyt-in-israel-carter-derides\/","title":{"rendered":"NYT: In Israel, Carter Derides Netanyahu and Obama"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">The New York Times&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">October 22, 2012&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>In Israel, Carter Derides Netanyahu and Obama&nbsp; <\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">By JODI RUDOREN&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">JERUSALEM \u2014 Three decades after leaving the White House, former President Jimmy  Carter still functions inside the trappings of power, cruising through fiercely contested areas  of this city on Monday in a 12-car motorcade, with Secret Service agents stationed  strategically as he surveyed the view from the Mount of Olives.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">But at 88, Mr. Carter, trying to nudge his agenda without an official platform, no longer filters  his words for politics or diplomacy. On Monday, he ramped up his years of criticism of Israeli  policy by saying that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lacked the courage of his  predecessors and that he had abandoned the two-state solution that has been the accepted  framework for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for decades. And just two weeks  before the American election, he was almost as critical of President Obama, saying his  administration has shirked the historical role played by the United States in the region.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">\u201cI don\u2019t think there\u2019s any doubt that Netanyahu has decided the one-state option is the one  he\u2019s going to pursue,\u201d Mr. Carter said, despite Mr. Netanyahu\u2019s professed commitment to two  states, notably in a 2009 speech at Bar Ilan University.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">As for Mr. Obama, a fellow Democrat, the former president said, \u201cThe U.S. government  policy the last two to three years has basically been a rapid withdrawal from any kind of  controversy.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">He added: \u201cEvery president has been a very powerful factor here in advocating this two-state  solution. That is now not apparent.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Mr. Carter was here with the former prime minister of Norway, Gro Harlem Brundtland, and  the former president of Ireland, Mary Robinson, on behalf of the Elders, a group of 10  left-leaning \u00e9minences grises convened by Nelson Mandela in 2007 that aims to promote  human rights and world peace by, according to its Web site, \u201cspeaking difficult truths and  tackling taboos.\u201d Mr. Carter and Ms. Brundtland met with President Shimon Peres of Israel  on Sunday, and all three met with President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority on  Monday, consulting in between with like-minded Palestinian and Israeli intellectuals. On  Wednesday, they are scheduled to see Egypt\u2019s new Islamist president, Mohamed Morsi.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">A born-again Christian who served a single term as president from 1977 to 1981, Mr. Carter  said he has been to Israel and the Palestinian territories about 30 times. He recalled  swimming in the Dead Sea on his first visit, in 1973, and noted that there were then about  1,500 Jewish settlers in the West Bank, compared with the 350,000 living there now. And he  has long been an outspoken critic of Israeli policy, particularly in his 2007 book, \u201cPalestine:  Peace Not Apartheid.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">But Mr. Carter said Monday that the situation is \u201cworse now than it\u2019s ever been for the  Palestinians\u201d because of the expanding settlements and lack of prospects for change.  Describing himself as \u201cgrieved, disgusted and angry,\u201d he said the two-state solution is \u201cin  death throes,\u201d which he called \u201ca tragic new development that the world is kind of ignoring.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Surveys show Palestinians and Israelis overwhelmingly support a two-state solution, but  intellectuals on both sides have increasingly been talking about a binational, single state. But  models for such a state generally either imagine Israel losing its Jewish character, or ruling  over a Palestinian majority in an undemocratic way. Mr. Carter called the one-state option \u201ca  catastrophe \u2014 not for the Palestinians, for Israel.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">As Ray Dolphin of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs  pointed out Jewish homes in the Palestinian neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, and Hagit Ofran  of Peace Now\u2019s Settlement Watch Project described Israel\u2019s tourism development around the  Old City, Mr. Carter seemed to have heard it all before. When Ms. Ofran said \u201cthere are more  powers fighting\u201d against Israel\u2019s policies, he shook his head.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">\u201cThe United States used to be major obstacle to Israeli expansion \u2014 now the United States  is quite dormant,\u201d he said. \u201cI don\u2019t really detect the forces. They\u2019re not in Europe. They\u2019re not  in the United States. They\u2019re not in the Arab world.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">On Sunday evening, he convened a dinner with Avraham Burg, a former member of  Parliament now running a liberal research group; Mahdi Abdul Hadi, the head of a leading  Palestinian research group; Nabil Shaath, the Palestinian official in charge of international  relations; and Alon Liel, a former Israeli ambassador to Turkey and South Africa.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Mr. Burg said Mr. Carter dominated the three-hour conversation and displayed impeccable  knowledge of the intricacies of the situation. Mr. Abdul Hadi said the former president urged  the Palestinians to follow through on their bid for statehood at the United Nations \u2014 a move  the Obama administration opposes \u2014 and to reconcile the rift between the Fatah faction,  which dominates in the West Bank, and Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">\u201cThis is important, to get the Israeli and Palestinian intelligentsia to think out loud and not to  carry on the rhetoric and the slogans, to do something,\u201d Mr. Abdul Hadi said. \u201cCall it Carter\u2019s  wake-up call in Jerusalem. The question: Is he meeting Netanyahu?\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">No. Mr. Carter said the Elders had in the past been turned down for meetings even with  members of Mr. Netanyahu\u2019s cabinet. When he last spoke with Mr. Netanyahu \u2014 Mr. Carter  could not remember whether it was around the 1999 funeral of Jordan\u2019s King Hussein or the  1995 memorial for Yitzhak Rabin, the assassinated Israeli prime minister \u2014 \u201che said I had  betrayed Israel by giving Egypt the Sinai Desert,\u201d recalled the former president, who  arbitrated the 1979 Camp David accords between Israel and Egypt.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">Mark Regev, a spokesman for Mr. Netanyahu, said the prime minister denied that such a  conversation took place. Mr. Regev pointed to Mr. Netanyahu\u2019s 2009 speech calling for two  states and said he \u201chas repeatedly expressed his readiness for direct Israeli-Palestinian  peace talks without any preconditions whatsoever in order to advance that goal.\u201d&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">\u201cThose who want to see peace advanced should be asking the Palestinian leadership why  they continue to boycott the negotiations,\u201d he said in a statement. \u201cThe prime minister has  consistently initiated confidence-building measures,\u201d he added, citing the reduction of  roadblocks, the advancement of funds and the issuance of work permits, among other  measures.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">But Mr. Carter blamed Mr. Netanyahu for the stalemate.&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">\u201cI\u2019ve known every prime minister since Golda Meir,\u201d he said, ticking off experiences with  Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Ehud Olmert and Ehud Barak. \u201cAll the previous prime  ministers have been so courageous in their own way. 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